A threat???
Anonymous posted these comments while I was taking a blog sabbatical.
Any said: "Bob as a member of the midwest district I would like to send you warning... There are things in motion that do not bode well for you and your movement.
Most if not all of your support comes from churches or people IN churches and you have bitten the hand that feeds you. I know personally of people that support you that have read your blog and the comments on it, over the last couple of days and I would like to excercise a word of caution to you. There have been MANY valid questions have been brought up that you have avoided. Furthermore neither you or anyone that you have discipled have used scripture to defend any of your statements. Instead of answering senor, phil, chris, and several others comments you lash out at them and attack them. Bob, this concerns me. I have choosen to remain anonymous because i have said more than i should have. I hope you can respect a peer trying to lend you a hand though.
The Planter: Hummmm Interesting. This is what always happens when the church-the machine is challenged to conform. She gets defensive and comes up fighting with both gloves on.
I'm not moved by these idle threats. If a donor cannot support the Holy Spirit Disciple Driven movement that's fine. I never make people keep their commitments to me.
This is the church-the machine talking here. This is not Church the Body of Christ speaking. Church the Body of Christ would never do such an Un-Biblical thing in a world reading blog.
Jesus tells us in His word how to handle things and you are out of line. Thanks for showing us the difference between the church-machine and the Church - The Body of Christ.
I issue you no warning other than I pray for you as I close out.
posted by Bob Carder @ 6:50 PM
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19 Comments:
I feel like I should become like a weeping prophet...Someone is trying to kill me. :)
The movement is not mine. Only God can do what I am seeing done. All I do is stir the pot every now and then to get the cream to the top.
And I don't have to like what WE have done to the Church -the Body of Christ. I say "WE" because I mean me and all the others.
I'm more concerned about what bodes for the church and not what bodes for me.
I will as long as I have breath, poor or not, I will make disciples who make disciples who make disciples FOR JESUS!
Don't you love how it is YOU and YOUR movement Bob, but people say the same thing to Terry. People do not realize it is God's movement. They all want a pastor head of the church.
It is all God's movement for sure. No man can do what we have seen and what we are seeing. We don't need pastors in offices of control when we have the rest of the Body full functioning in the gifts and Holy Spirit's anointing.
not to mention, most of the things i witness God doing "in my neck of the woods" doesnt really have anything to do with you OR terry sometimes. they consider you the source of this movement when really you all do very little. you just obey what God has given you and the rest is His.
AMEN.
I think you should quit being so judgemental i do not think God would be happy. I am not sure about this whole you being a prophet thing. I don't really see much love from you only accusations.
By the way I have kids in their 20's and they love going to church. They still share with people. We can't make people accept the gospel all we can do is share they need to decide if they want to. God gives us all a free will. I don't understand why you accept money from the church when you don't seem to like them at all.You need to watch how you talk about churhes. My entire family was saved in church and we have grown there also. Shame on you for being so one sided. By the way I tell peole about your site to warn them about people like you. I have been in the missionary church for 26 years. I have been able to share alot.
So anonymous, you are rebelling against this church you have went to by telling Bob something you are saying you shouldn't tell him, you feel you have to lurk in secrecy, and accuse and you think everything is peachy for you? No, they can't make anyone come to Christ. Have they ever shared their faith as opposed to just invite people to a building? How many people have they baptized? How many disciples do they have? Are your children living in freedom? Are they really free? Do you see a lifestyle that shows that complete freedom in them? Are they struggling in their sins, or are they living in freedom? Are you? Are you the one that goes behind the back of the district to bring this "friendly warning" to Bob and then goes and tells everyone bad things about Bob? What are you so afraid of? I suggest you at least take Gamaliel's council here. If you are wrong, you may be found fighting against God.
"""""""""i do not think God would be happy"""""
God "would be" happy? Do you not know Him? Why don't you ask Him? You talk like God is a dead man. God is alive and I for one talk to Him and he talks back. I have conversations with God. Do you not? Why is that?
Eric is right on here. Are you Anon right on?
Well I have a question for you. Please don't judge the way I choose to disciple and please don't put numbers on it. These are people and not things that we should keep a tally on. Why can't the discipleship movement bring people to christ the way Christ wants leads you to. And the people in church bring the unsaved to christ the way God shows us to. Does it have to be a source of debate. The most important thing is to get the unsaved saved. Whatever way God works do it. I won't answer the comments that were directed to me. They really didn't make alot of sense to me. I don't want to debate anything. I belive in churches God places of worship for some people. It doesn't make me right or wrong. Bob you are or used to be a pastor. Love people and encourage them to share whatever way God leads them. My family has discipled many people and we always encourage them to go to church to be fed Gods word to fellowhip with belivers this does work I have seen it. People do grow young people in church. I do ask you to forgive me if I hurt your feelings. I should not slam the way you choose to share the gospel. If it works great but it is not for everyone. The church is so important that I ask you to please as a former pastor to continue to pray for God to work however he chooses to in this world.We can't save anyone only God can. But God can't if all we do is allow dissention amoung his people.Let's lift one another up in prayer. Prayer is the only thing that will bring the unsaved to God. We are helpless without his leading.Praise God for allowing our family to be a part of sharing the most important message in church or out of church.
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""""Well I have a question for you. Please don't judge the way I choose to disciple and please don't put numbers on it."""""
1. You realize that is not a question right? Questions end with one of these. (?)
2. Why did you not answer any of my questions?
"""""These are people and not things that we should keep a tally on."""""
I am not asking for a tally, I asked if they made 1. You need to tally to get the number 1?
""""And the people in church bring the unsaved to christ the way God shows us to. """"
Because Christ commanded us to go and make disciples. If you are not doing that, you are disobeying Christ.
""""Does it have to be a source of debate."""""
Your the one talking about how "dangerous" Bob is. Funny how your opinions change in these posts.
"""""They really didn't make alot of sense to me.""""""
What exactly are you confused about? My main questions are this- are you hearing directly from God or not? Are you listening to what He is saying? Are your children making disciples and training others to make disciples? Are your children free? Are you free? Those are not that hard to understand.
"""""I belive in churches God places of worship for some people. """""
That statement doesn't make since. How can a people group be a place? I am confused.
""""It doesn't make me right or wrong. """""
The statement doesn't make since at all. If something doesn't make since I suppose it can't be wrong no.
"""""Bob you are or used to be a pastor. Love people and encourage them to share whatever way God leads them. """""
He does.
""""My family has discipled many people and we always encourage them to go to church to be fed Gods word to fellowhip with belivers this does work """""
Does your family teach those people they are supposed to be making disciples as well? Do they do it?
""""People do grow young people in church."""""
I am asking about Christ, not Church. I can train a money to go to church, but I can't show one how to receive the Holy Spirit. That doesn't mean anything. I am not asking how many were discipled into a church, I am asking how many were discipled into Christ's family.
""""If it works great but it is not for everyone.""""
Christ commands us to go and make disciples baptising them and teaching them to obey everything Christ commanded including to go and make disciples and baptise. If anyone is not doing that, they should not consider themselves a Christian or a disciple of Christ until they pray for that and seek that.
""""But God can't if all we do is allow dissention amoung his people.""""
GOD CAN'T!!???!?!?!?!?! What are you saying?
God can work in any situation He wants and it is wrong for you to say He can not.
If the "church" was obeying the gospel there would be no dissension. Instead they keep inviting unsaved to worship with them instead of directing the unsaved to Christ. Stay and call to you instead of Go and make disciples.
""""Praise God for allowing our family to be a part of sharing the most important message in church or out of church.""""
Are you embarrassed by that? You are still anonymous.
Again I ask you, do you hear the voice of God or is that voice silent in your life?
September 23, 2008 9:15 AM
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Wow, all I was saying to Bob was sorry if I hurt his feelings. No respect is shown when you take what I meant for good and go through every little thing. You can't guess what I am saying only what you think I said. I am deeply sadened. I guess I can't even say what is on my heart without being judged. I will not comment anymore. How I do things and why I do things is between my Lord and me. I will answer none of your questions. At least it sounds like Bob does try to understand different peoples ideas.I am not embarrassed that was way out of line for you to write.I feel sorry for you that you are so closed minded.Only God can save people all we can do is be obedient to how he calls us to share His news.
""""Wow, all I was saying to Bob was sorry if I hurt his feelings. """"""
Howso?
""""No respect is shown when you take what I meant for good and go through every little thing"""""
You are avoiding all of my questions. All of them.
"""""I guess I can't even say what is on my heart without being judged."""""
Maybe I would understand you better if you answered SOME of my questions and didn't ignore requests for clarification.
""""How I do things and why I do things is between my Lord and me. """"
That is true, however, when you publicly express an idea expect others to question those ideas.
""""I will answer none of your questions.""""
I know you are not going to. Why is that?
""""At least it sounds like Bob does try to understand different peoples ideas"""""
How can I understand any of your ideas if you refuse to answer questions?
""""".I am not embarrassed that was way out of line for you to write.""""""
Then, I ask again, why do you not tell us who you are? What are you hiding? Who are you afraid of?
"""""Only God can save people all we can do is be obedient to how he calls us to share His news."""""
Are you being obedient? Are you hearing from God? I can not imagine not answering that question the way you have. That is almost like someone asking you if you know Christ, that is a question everyone should answer in good conscious.
If your authorities you choose to submit to would not be happy with what you posted on this blog like you said, you need to tell them and accept any consequences. Doing otherwise is rebellion against your church. If you are afraid of someone, you need to confess that to God and get freedom from that fear. Those are the only two reasons you have to not reveal your name. You stated earlier why you have not, and the reason you gave was rebellion against the body. No, that is not just between God and you, that is a church matter. You need to submit that so they can deal with you.
Anony got backed into the corner with Truth and is now running away. Eric, I didn't think your questions were out of line. He sounds like the same guy who accused me of not answering all the other guys questions.
This man sounds like He received the keystone training and is now rejecting it. God's judgment has already been spoken. He can run but he can't hide.
I do not believe the church in America is calling all believers to make disciples who make disciples in Holy Spirit empowerment. Instead we use church as a corporate way to make disciples. This much revered approach is hindering the work of Christ. If pastors insisted that their congregations personally make disciples and held them accountable they would be fired. Yes anony - you would be fired. But you like your job, right?
Well go ahead and fire me, I cannot be bought at any price.
Nor can I be bullied with idle threats. By the way, I am pretty sure God has revealed to me your identity. All I need to do now is call and ask if it was you. Which I do plan to do.
YOU did not hurt my feelings either. You just showed your ignorance and disobedience to the mandate of Matthew 28.
Now Eric is narrow and judgmental for showing you the Truth. If what Eric said is judgmental that is what truth does. That's not judgmental it is conviction.If Eric is narrow or judgmental it is only because he is being Biblical. He's holding you accountable for your words and unwillingness to walk in Truth.
People who speak correction are not liked very much. I'm not in a lubby dubby kiss my brother contest either.
You were way out of line to threaten me.
I pray you will walk in the truth that was presented to you when it was presented to our district. You have no option - you are held accountable to walk in that Truth.
I now know for sure who anony is in this post and in the threat post.
You are a small problem.
Brothers. I love you all in Jesus name! Looking at some of these posts..hostility..anger..dissention..It just breaks my heart. I just want to express my undying love for each of you serving Jesus. I am satisfied to understand that the Body of Christ is made up of those who are FORGIVEN. GRACE is the forever binding message of Jesus. He forever serves as our mediator, Savior and King. Stephen, full of the Spirit mediated for those who threw stones. Throughout church history the Spirit Filled martyrs have called out forgivness to the man holding the killer's torch. I have never posted here before today yet I am LED BY THE SPIRIT...I think...to post a message of love. I have been in the councils of many men who have all thought they had the mind of God. Sometimes..they were right...sometimes wrong...as long as Christ is preached..let them continue. I am yearning for true revival in America. I look to the day when communites turn from the drink and sin...when all who come near the church see the Love of Christ. The will know you are my disciples because you LOVE one another. May you each take the path of love. Not the feel good kinda love but the Agape God love that says I love you when you don't love me back. My undestanding of true Spirit Filled walking with Jesus is that our lives will exhibit this kind of love. May the peace of Jesus rest in your hearts as the accuser sends his arrows from Gehenna.
Love Mark Springs
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