Thursday, June 07, 2007

Whatcha think of this?

Quotation:
This is the real Church of the Lord Jesus Christ--not
merely organization, but a group of people, individually the
children of God, drawn together by the Holy Spirit for a
particular task, either in a local situation or over a wider
area. The Church of the Lord Jesus should be a group of those
who are redeemed and bound together on the basis of true
doctrine. But subsequently they should show together a
substantial "sociological healing" of the breaches between
men, which have come about because of... man's sin. The
Christian sociological position is that the sociological
problems which we find... are a result of the separation that
has come between men because of sin. (Continued tomorrow)
... Francis A. Schaeffer (1912-1984), The God Who Is There
[1968]

The Planter: Do people really believe this? Is this what many believe to be our mission?


Part two adds another chapter: "Quotation:
Now the world should be able to see in the Church those
marks [which show] that there is a substantial sociological
healing possible in the present generation. It is not enough
for the Church to be engaged with the State in healing social
ills, though this is important at times. But when the world
can turn around and see a group of God's people exhibiting
substantial healing in the area of human relationships in
their present life, then the world will take notice. Each
group of Christians is, as it were, a pilot plant, showing
that something can be done in the present situation, if only
we begin in the right way.
... Francis A. Schaeffer (1912-1984), The God Who Is There
[1968]

The Planter: Now we are getting somewhere. This has some great insight. This very issue is another reason the Church in America is in trouble. I'm glad there is "the rest of the story" in part 2. Mike E offers this to our blogland. Thanks Mike.

3 Comments:

At June 08, 2007 10:48 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bobert: you garbled Part 1 a bit. It's a little hard to follow what Schaeffer is saying. I really like Part 1, also, and would be interested in why you reacted to it the way you did. It's not what I expected to hear from you.

 
At June 08, 2007 1:32 PM, Blogger Bob Carder said...

I wasn't reacting, I was causing trouble. I was hoping for some comments. The first part seemed institutional even though he said it wasn't. It seemed like too much focus on social problems and not enough on the redemptive work of God in all of this.

Part two brought part one together for me. Francis backtracked in the second sentence which redeems him in my eyes. When we act like Christians people notice Christ and often people don't notice Christ in those who profess to know Him.

Francis nails it! The word of God says, "By this love, all men will know that they are my disciples." Without this love, we do kingdom destruction. You see this destruction in restaurants after church on Sunday.

I generally like Francis but part one needs to be tied to part two for the full story.

I was baiting!

 
At June 08, 2007 8:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, at least you can admit it! I was getting worried if you were starting to dis Francis...!

 

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