Question???
If I ever pastored a traditional American Church ever again (which I will not), how long would I last with the message I boldly proclaim?
Tell me how long would I last in such a church? Or, how long would the people last?
posted by Bob Carder @ 7:07 PM
9 comments
9 Comments:
Wow!!!! Bob you should never say "I will not do anything", like being a pastor WOW BIG BIG statement.
Are you preaching with truth AND grace or are you railing against the system? It makes a difference.
Remember, most of the people you would be preaching to have NO IDEA what you're talking about and, maybe 10 would be jumping up and down in their seats going "FINALLY!!"
You are a fabulous preacher, Bob. I'd hate to see you totally close the door on that option. I have seen you speak truth in love to people (if you think your tithe entitles you to own that pew, then you're wrong!) and your heart insights are deep and powerful.
But, here's the answer you're looking for, if you walk into your new church and step into the pulpit/platform and immediately, from Day 1, start hammering on how right you are and how wrong they are, you won't last a month. But you wouldn't do that. Because your heart is too tuned to God and He would not lay that kind of msg on your heart.
Will you be using a plexiglass pulpit or a traditional wooden one? ;)
Anon, I said I would never pastor a traditional church again. There is a big difference here.
Mike, I asked God to take away my call to pastor in traditional American churches and He has. I have no burning desire like I used to since Beu... Days.
I do not miss it at all. Be careful never to say never is one thing. Be careful what you pray for is quite another. God answered my pray and took that calling away to pastor in the American traditional Church.
You are right about bringing people along. This preacher spoke one Sunday night and only one person, a farmer showed up. So the pastor had one person and he spoke and spoke until an hour passed. Finally the pastor drew his sermon to a close.
At the door the pastor greets his only attender, a farmer. The farmer said, preaching is allot like farming you never want to drop the whole load in one place.
Mike, why do seem to think I am railing against the system. We all know that it is broke. I am railing if I'm even railing again a lazy inactive professing Christ Body who is greatly failing Church in expanding the kingdom by going into all of the world to make disciples. There is a difference.
I sure pray I can wake the sleeping giant before it is too late for them and the lost.
Sorry Bob, but reading your different blogs on here I don't believe there is not a church that you would call "non" traditional is there? At least that is what I am picking up. Are you saying that all churches are traditional now or going there?
Anon, I am involved now in joining with God to create "God" disciple driven movements that lead to God birth Churches where all disciples make other disciples etc.
To answer directly, YES there are churches out there who are not what I would call traditional. Around the world there are Churches made up of people who are not called a building but, who are mobilized to expand the kingdom in Holy Spirit led disciple making movements that are led to God birthed Churches of Holy Spirit led followers who make disciples who make disciples leading to God birthed Churches.
This excites me when I see New Testament like expansion of the disciples and kingdom of God expansion. In St. Louis we are building (with God, of course) disciples making disciples movements leading to God birthed Churches leading to more disciples making disciples leading to God birthed Churches.
I would rather have 100 small Churches (people connected as the body) all over St. Louis who make disciples than I would one large one location large mega church that is a come and see me on Sunday church.
As we make disciples who make disciples we believe God will birth Churches. Our job is to make disciples and it is God's job to birth churches.
I'm not in for consumer driven churches who have a serve me mentality.
I'm not in for bigger buildings, budgets, more butts in pews and better programs to outdo the church down the street in order to have more to claim more to be more.
If a church is not a Body of Christ mobilized to reach the world by living incarnationally so that people can see Jesus in them so that through them He can redeem them, they are not disciple driven. If bringing people to church is more important than bringing them to Jesus, they are not disciple driven. I could go on.
What I mean by traditional is the come to church to gather rather gather as the church to go. I can't pastor the church "the location" I have to be involved with the Church the people who are mobilized in the kingdom to go into all the world with fervent passion to make disciples who make disciples leading to thousands if not millions of God birthed churches who do the same.
John, those were the days of wooden and plexi pulpits. Yep, we put wheels on the wooden monster to move it in and out depending on the service and then we carried the plexi in for the other. How silly of us.
Today I would use neither. The world is my pulpit. :)
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